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It's may be old news by now, but you probably all heard about the whole Mary Jane statue debacle, but one of the defenders said something I haven't seen nearly nobody mention....

Something I must point out, because I really think it should.

This guy said:

I enjoy the Indie stuff (SiP and Lenore) but without Spider-man, X-Men and other comics, they wouldn't exist.

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*sarcasm on*  Oh YES! You're right! You can see Marvel's influence in Roman Dirge's work! It's almost like ready a superhero comic! Forget the fact that he has probably never read a Marvel comic, simply knowing the fact that they existed made him want to make comics!

Asterix, Tintin, Corto Maltes, all the wacky Europeans are just Marvel wannabes! And Japan? We all know people like Akira Toriyama, Naoko Takeuchi and others were influenced by US, not those silly comics called "manga"!

Just take a look at the world of webcomics! Every single webcomic is a superhero wannabe, right? It's not like they have their OWN orignal ideas and stories! MARVEL HAS ALL THE COOL IDEAS! *sarcasm  off*

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Claiming that indie comics wouldn't exist if Marvel didn't is like saying if "Ug the Thwomper" didn't invent the wheel, they NOBODY ELSE in the whole wild world would never thought of that idea...

Sure, the world of comics would be different if Marvel didn't exist, but it would STILL EXIST!

When ever I hear some of my favorites authors influences in an interview, I never hear a Marvel comic being one of them..

There are a few thing that only exist thanks to a certain person, but most ideas and invention would be thought up by someone else if the original creator didn't exist.... That's logical... A fact even! And that's all I'm going to say before I really start to ramble....
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From:elfbiter
Date:May 23rd, 2007 11:59 am (UTC)
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So Marvel invented the Yellow Kid? Or did they used the Doctor Doom's time machine to create cave paintings, hieroglyphs and religious pictographs all over the globe?
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From:tanukitsune
Date:May 23rd, 2007 12:15 pm (UTC)
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The Yellow Kid was a mutant obviously! Just look at his freaky shirt gown thing! And mutants were invented by Marvel (not cheesy B-films 30 years ago) so yeah, they DID! :P
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From:tedprior
Date:May 23rd, 2007 01:17 pm (UTC)
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I'm reading this out of context, but perhaps they mean as far as having an industry of American comics. I think that is only somewhat true still, though. I think that we probably wouldn't have the slump we have in the industry currently if the comics published were more diverse. They do kind of out sell most indie comics, BUT Manga out sells the lot of them. And I think that's because they make comics for everyone, and if American comics had always been more inclusive then we would find books like Bone perhaps being more the norm?

I'm not even sure I'm making sense.
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From:tanukitsune
Date:May 23rd, 2007 01:30 pm (UTC)
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Like Elfbiter said, the Yellow Kid existed before anybody at Marvel was even born!

Back in the era before Marvel existed, there were sci-fi, mystery and adventure comics, and DC invented superhero comics before even Marvel existed!
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From:tedprior
Date:May 23rd, 2007 01:35 pm (UTC)
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I know that, I'm just saying that they are a large majority of today's American comic market, you know, the thing keeping the industry alive. Making it so we get to have comic dedicated shops. I also suspect that when they said Spider-Man, they might not have meant specifically Spider-Man, but Superhero comics in general.

Again, I am only going by your quote there though, it's out of context.
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From:tanukitsune
Date:May 23rd, 2007 01:57 pm (UTC)
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The context as far as I see it is that he defend the statue by saying that authors like Terry Moore of Strangers in Paradise would approve of this statue, and that, by the way, they wouldn't exist if we weren't around.

I'm not sure if meant Marvel or superhero comic in general, sure they are the big sellers, but I don't see why he claims non superhero comic wouldn't exist if they didn't...

From what I heard the sales of superhero comics has gone down a lot, and lots of comics store are closing because of this, it's more likely that manga is keeping the rest open than superhero comics.
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From:tedprior
Date:May 23rd, 2007 02:01 pm (UTC)
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I agree with you there. I think that that thinking is very out-dated now, a further problem with the industry these days. I think that the huge graphic novel trend and the huge manga market are where the real next industry is. The only thing really keeping Marvel alive is the movies.
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